Cult of Alcoholics Anonymous Squidoo continues
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It’s the Scientific age, and we’re it’s science projects.
Here is another discussion from my Squidoo lens on Alcoholics Anonymous as a cult. This one is a bit more tame than the guy that kept making fun of my Lesdexia. errr.. bark. I hope to continue editing my lens when I have some time. cheers.
Deciding that you are a member of a 12 step group in no way restricts you from belonging to any outside religious organization. I know many Christians, Jews, and Buddhist who work the steps.
Yes those are called the weaker brethren.. which i am one of.
In my experience it is encouraged from both sides. Yes the 12 step groups are like a religions in some ways and like a cults in others but the fact still stands that a lot of addicts recover form addiction in the rooms of 12 step groups. What makes 12 step groups unique is that they have but one primary purpose. That is to stay sober and to help others to achieve sobriety. Not to take your money or save your soul.
I don’t have much to say to people that don’t mind being Polytheist except that it does not work. If you quit drinking, and that’s what you wanted to do, then I truly am glad for you. But, Harvard research and statistics shows that you would have most likely recovered (oh ya you don’t recover) anyway. Even if you didn’t you were one of the lucky very few.. there is, in a conservative estimation, about 10% success.. some say 5%. If a pill was getting only 10% success, they would slap that off the shelf in a second… that’s called grossly failing to do the job.
Now the “greater good of society” quote??
Because it doesn’t work. Because it’s actually, in my belief, causing the problem more than solving it, it’s making alcoholics, because alcoholics in the sense we believe don’t exist. Only drunks, and Alcohol abusers exist, and the simple answer.. quit drinking or drink less, or drink yourself to death… not join a religion and marry your drunkenness. If we could topple this dinosaur that even it’s founder reported only had a 5% success, than the doors may open for some rational options.
What I have experienced in 12 step groups are people who were like myself a burden to society and now they are productive sober members of their communities.
Wow.. really.. do you sound like a robot…or maybe German? You might think I’m being mean, but I’m not trying to be. Do you realize you are saying almost verbatim what is AA common speak is. Is that why you quit drinking for, to be productive citizen? That kinda statement scares me. If that is what I had to quit drink for… forget it! I’d die with a smail on my face and vomit in my hair. Maybe that’s why we’re a nation of wimpy men we’ve been trained up by AA mentality. I don’t want to be a productive in the way this society dictates.
Not locked up in jail or detoxing in a public hospital once a month at the taxpayers expense .
We’re individuals with souls, and the problem is, we Americans, find it much easier to treat people like genetic cattle
The thing is, AA can get you back in jail in more than one way.. there is a study by the American Journal of Psychiatry that pitted those with no treatment against the 12 steppers concerning re-arrest rates. Guess who did the worst. And the other way is someone might call your parol agent, which i witnessed at a high profile AA group just last year, because the guy had big problems with the religiosity of AA.
Also they are no longer driving the car next to you at the stop light in the morning sipping vodka & orange juice out of their travel mugs.
Hey I truly sympathies… but that’s your problem and your immaturity.. not any disease. You we’re not so powerless as to not put down a mug and go home.
These people finding help in the 12 steps doesn’t sound to me like a bad thing for society as a whole. Even the US court system mandates DWI offenders to attend 12 step meetings (which I personally don’t agree with). I do not think that the United States Constitution allows for the courts to require anyone attend a “religious organization”? Surely if this was the case we would hear a lot more about this than what you have posted on this page.
Here is one ruling you can read a summary on, there have been a few, but have not changed the courts much. Wouldn’t you stand up and denounce this as a American? I sure will.
“A fair reading of the fundamental AA doctrinal writings discloses that their dominant theme is unequivocally religious,” the court said. “Adherence to the AA fellowship entails engagement in religious activity and religious proselytization.”
Others:
All of these courts have ruled that Alcoholics Anonymous is a religion or engages in religious activities:
- the Federal 7th Circuit Court in Wisconsin, 1984.
- the Federal District Court for Southern New York, 1994.
- the New York Court of Appeals, 1996.
- the New York State Supreme Court, 1996.
- the U.S. Supreme Court, 1997.
- the Tennessee State Supreme Court.
- the Federal 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals in New York, 1996.
- the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit.
- the U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh District, 1996.
- the Federal Appeals Court in Chicago, 1996.
- The Federal Appeals Court in Hawaii, September 7, 2007, in
Now you say that the steps do not look for the the truth. Yet you do not state what the truth is? Lets say you were to believe that your brand of religion was the one and only truth and society as a whole would benefit from your brand of religion if they would only believe and act as you do. Now your argument against the 12 steps or any other view point besides the ones your religion holds would be understood. (Talk about an old argument) That would uncover a whole new meaning behind this “Cult or Cure” page.
That is a good point. I guess if Bill Wilson was the second coming of Christ I’d be in hell.. but the good news is.. yall send all the Alcohol down stairs. But, matter of fact I do have a particular belief like that, and that’s why I do this, because I believe that truth matters and the oppressed should be defended.
By the way you have yet to mention how you found a solution to your own addiction troubles. If you have another solution I would not be opposed to it. Anything that is proven to work should be recognized and promoted. It seems to me that this would be a good place to post a positive message about a solution for addiction instead of a lot of stuff about what’s wrong with the 12 steps. Most of the people stumbling across this page will have a close relationship with addiction troubles whether it be their own or that of a loved one and are probably looking for help. I know that their are many alternatives to the 12 steps and no doubt that there are many success stories. People have been getting sober long before the 12 steps were written. Any recovery from the depths of addiction is in my mind a miracle and should be celebrated as such. I would hate for you to turn away people from a program that works with out leaving them an alternative beside a book on how to moderate their drinking (which is the delusion of most every alcoholic). Addiction is a horrible disease and anything that helps the lives of those who still suffer from this hopeless state of mind and body should not be over looked.
This is a hard one. It really is. I feel like AA has so permitted, not only recovery, but sexuality, religion, society at it’s very core, that there will be casualties in the battle against it. I have no answer as to the best way to quit. I’m a Christian, so I should simply say just go to a Church, but they will send you to AA too… which is sad. I hope that people come across this if they are looking for help. I come from a full bloated family of Alcoholics and they all stopped on their own when they were ready. Some when they hit the bottom, some when they got mature and tired of carrying the 100 pound bag of pain. Some made it with their family, some without. Some with jail, some without. But none with any treatment. I don’t feel like it’s my role to have an answer, just to clear the way for new ones. I feel like that is the problem with the recovery mentality. It’s different for everyone. Everyone is particularly made, we’re not Hitler’s great uberman. We’re individuals with souls, and the problem is, we Americans, find it much easier to treat people like genetic cattle than the way a beautiful creation should be treated.. one at a time. It’s the Scientific age, and we’re it’s science projects. My “Recovery” Story? It was miraculous. Din’t want it, Didn’t ask for it, Didn’t do anything but go to sleep and woke up a with a new heart, without 1% of any help from me. I’ll write about this on my post sometime soon.
I really respect you. You sound like a man that really cares… sorry if I sounded rude, i’m just sorta spunky and passionate about this cause, and just answered a mailbox full of hate mail. Your a refreshing read!
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