AA: Cult of a stolen God
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Most all cults are leaches on the backs of a successful religion. They twist the religion to work for their purposes and not that of what it was intended for.
I think it strange that the only two notable mass cult suicide in the last 40 years Rehab related. Jonestown was one of the biggest rehabs in New York. but u can’t prove anything by that. Just interesting. Hey and it worked too, no Alcoholics or Attics now.
AA is the only way.
No one graduates form AA.
AA or you will Die. B. Willson
You must completely follow the doctrine of 12 steps and Big Book or you will fail.
We will be your God.
{Websters: Cult
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious ; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work ; especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b:the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q0.html
I answered this test to see if your in a cult with what I personally and by study have found to be true of AA: (answers in blue)
The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive
or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
12 steps are law, the only way to sobriety and are concidered laws you must live by. Bill Williams and very successful leaders are followed and spoke of, as spiritual guides. Also, you never talk bad about bill.
Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
If you are court cohursed they will try to send you to jail openly by bad reports to your paroll officer – witch they are doing to one member of my group now. if you continue to be disagreeable or protest on religious terms, witch is what he is trying to do, you will be eventually the dirty duck of the group. I know this from experience.
Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
You are to by meditate and pray for spiritual awakening if you are to be a active member. You are to work for the group to return the favor. There are also chants and group prayer.
The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
You are constantly told not to trust your mind, you are not in a state to trust your mind so you submit to the mind of the group and sponser. You are to break ties with old friends, they say you will probaly be distanced from your wife and family if you follow the big book corectly. Your sponser gives advice on every part of your life. You are not to date for one year acording to big book, or start any relationships of any kind. Combined with suggestions (laws ) that you break ties with anyone that could be a jeopardy to your sobriety – including family and friends. Of course you are told how to think act and feel… thats what it’s all about. (don’t trust your mind, let go and let God, submit to it and you will see)
The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
Bill Williams said he was on a mission to save the world, and many elitist (megalomaniac) things. The group believes it is the way the truth and the light. and they use those exsact words just in different order, and times.
The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conict with the wider society. Moderation Management a group aposed to AA is hated by AA. There is no other way and any other way is false.
The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).
AA owns the courts and hospitols and the minds of the people, yet they answer to no one not even a hierarchy of other untrained counselors. The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members’ participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible
or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).
Means to a end is what AA teaches. Just try it and you will see that it works, if you disagree with the spiritual principles. Just fake it till you believe it. Many people appose the religious nature of the group at first only to join the group-think after weeks of deep emotional bonding and indoctrination.
The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
A hard one to pinpoint. But I do here them talk about peoples problems when they are not there, like, “I don’t think he’s strong enough to make it” or “he is resisting the only thing that will save him”. My Leader said out loud that he believes in the power of shame. I think the longer you are there you would start to see this used on you. Not on the newcomers though. Plus shame is the game in AA, you are to admit that you are a addict every group to replay and identify yourself always, as the one thing that AA is supposed to be curing you of…. but I guess if you were cured you wouldn’t need AA right? so that can’t happen. Basically there is no hope for you but AA for the rest of your life.
And think about these passive aggressive statements in there opening statement each group.
“people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way. They are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous honesty. Their chances are less than average. There are those, too, who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest.”
- AA Big Book
Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
Big book says to cut ties, and radically alter your life around AA. They are your new friends they are your new activities director. There is the 90/90 (90 days of 90 meetings). The no dating or new relationship policy and the encouragement to attend many meetings for the rest of your life.
The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
Step 12. Evangilize to alcaholics. the gospel of AA. A must if you are to follow all the steps competently.
Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
Same as above AA is your new friends cause you have cut o your old life. The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group.
They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.
Shame is used if you try to leave ( and they have the emotional amo on you because you spilled your guts for two years in the meetings). There are no graduates from AA is a very popular saying, you will die with AA because you will die if you don’t stay with AA.
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This is great stuff !!
Amen. After being forced to go to treatment then the 90/90 I became very suspicious of their tactics. I really had a problem with Step 2 and saying I was “powerless” and only a higher power could restore me to sanity. I wasn’t powerless or insane. I am the only one that can help me stay sober but putting my mind to it. I disagree with the whole disease thing too. People lose weight, stop smoking and can stop drinking with the cult-like principles of the 12-Steppers and their 12-Stepping program. I wish someone like Michael Moore would do a documentary on them and set people straight.
I meant to say people can stop their habits without the 12 step program.
your not alone. Any organization that had only a 5% success rate would go the way of the dinos… I believe that the AA philosophy and mentality that has sunk into the core of America, has actually been one the catapults for “alcoholism.” It’s only when your told that your helpless in stopping your behavior, that you become helpless, and we don’t need AA to tell us this anymore, because the entire society, church, school, courts, therapy name it, has bought into this, and from a young age we are propagandized to believe if we ever stumble into drinking too much, through a divorce or anything, we are now helpless and have some preordained disorder or disease. This would actually cause a person to drink more, i know, because you feel like what the hell, this is who i am… instead of, what the hell, i need to stop drinking so much.
Read through your article cult of a stolen god. You might want to try google to get some of the facts correct. AA was founded by William Griffith Wilson and Robert Holbrook Smith. I cant seem to find any references to Bill Williams. Heaven’s Gate was UFO cult based in San Diego Ca. I cant find anything linking them to AA. The Jonestown cult (Peoples Temple) was founded in 1955 by James Warren Jones moved to SanFransisco CA in 1965 and to Guyana in 1977. Once again I cant find anything in their history linking them to AA.
While your blog page looks very nice, I would suggest that you get a spell check program. I have read some of the books you have suggested and am familar with the orange papers, the author seems angry to me. Whether or not AA is a religion does not matter to me. The first amendment to the constitution of the United States affords us freedom OF religion. That being said I dont think that the government (court system) should force people to go to AA.
In the book Alcoholics Anonymous, it states that they do not have a monopoly on staying sober. They state that if you can do a right about face and drink like a gentlman their hats are off to you. You mentioned the Moderation Movement (MM) founed by Audrey Kishline, who on March 25, 2000 killed a 38 year old man with her pick up truck. Her blood alcohol was 3 times the legal limit. Enough said about MM.
Having read your article about your ” friends” you had dinner with you make it clear that you are a christian, so lets take a look at that. You can look this up in the christian book of mythology (bible)
Your god requires: Blood sacrifice, subjagtion of women, anialation of cities slaughter of multitudes,unquestioned obedience, murder of his own son and as a grand finally he plans to destroy the world by fire. And people ask my why Im pagan I just dont get it.
Blood
Read through your article cult of a stolen god. You might want to try google to get some of the facts correct. AA was founded by William Griffith Wilson and Robert Holbrook Smith. I cant seem to find any references to Bill Williams. Heaven’s Gate was UFO cult based in San Diego Ca. I cant find anything linking them to AA. The Jonestown cult (Peoples Temple) was founded in 1955 by James Warren Jones moved to SanFransisco CA in 1965 and to Guyana in 1977. Once again I cant find anything in their history linking them to AA.
I don’t understand.. are you showing what a great google’r you are? I don’t make reference to dates, or care much for them for this purpose. I’m not a wikipedia. Yes, your right though.. i need to link better. These articles where written a few years ago on paper, my site is about 3 -4 weeks old, so give me some time while i try to get all the articles brushed up for the web. As far as Heaven’s Gate can’t find the source. .. I guess you win the whole argument
I removed it till i hae time to drum through the books. Jonsetown is very well known (to kings like me) to have been one of the biggest rehab centers in New York.. also a reference on wikipedia i don’t care where they started or ended.
While your blog page looks very nice, I would suggest that you get a spell check program.
I don’t use spell checkers they make me itch
I have read some of the books you have suggested and am familar with the orange papers, the author seems angry to me.
Anger my friend is one of the safest emotions we have
whether or not AA is a religion does not matter to me.
Thats cool.. than it’s not directed to you then. Your a grown man, you can decide to be in any religion.
In the book Alcoholics Anonymous, it states that they do not have a monopoly on staying sober. They state that if you can do a right about face and drink like a gentlman their hats are off to you.
Yes.. that’s what they say don’t they.. they say that in any cult, and especially if their cornered.. the do course, mock, be little embarrass.. i’ve seen to my face and hae read much about it.. and they be little us poor bastards because we were not born as strong as Jimbo. From the horses mouth:
RARELY HAVE we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. Those who do not recover are those who cannot or will not give themselves completely to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way.
A.A. Big Book, 3rd & 4th Editions, William G. Wilson, page 58.
You mentioned the Moderation Movement (MM) founed by Audrey Kishline, who on March 25, 2000 killed a 38 year old man with her pick up truck. Her blood alcohol was 3 times the legal limit. Enough said about MM.
Low blow bro.. be careful i might say some of real embarrassing facts about your leader, what you say his name was.. oh, Bill Wilson who begged for whiskey at the end of his life.. but faithful AA’ers.. what? Thought he’d go hell for it? makes no sense.. but it’s a good idea not to invite your 12 step baddie over when your getting ready to split. The fact is, that no teacher in all history made it through life without stumbling over his own chin.. well except that one obsessed with blood. MM has some good resources.. and you’ll be abel to have that whiskey when you die.
Your god requires: Blood sacrifice, subjagtion of women, anialation of cities slaughter of multitudes,unquestioned obedience, murder of his own son and as a grand finally he plans to destroy the world by fire. And people ask my why Im pagan I just dont get it.
Blood
Well you got me there.. That sounds exactly like my God, his judgment on his people was that they would eat their own young if they didn’t repent. He’s a terrible God for sure and is all about blood… You left a few out:
Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.”
Jeremiah 11:22-23 (Warning that God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death.)
Jeremiah 19:7-9 (warning that God will make parents eat their own children’s flesh, and friends eat each other.)
and the worst one:
John 6:53… Accordingly Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Unless YOU eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, YOU have no life in yourselves. 54 He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I shall resurrect him at the last day;
should scare the literal shit out of anyone. Does me.